We need to talk {a tandem post}

Welcome to my first ever tandem post!! Woot woot.

I’m so excited to have Cali Harris (aka Caligater) as my first tandem post partner. I’ll tell you how this idea was born.

I was having twitter conversation with Her delicious bloggity Highness Caligater about well, conversations.
She said: “The tough, heart-piercing/opening conversations? Trying to dance into those with grace. It’s difficult work.”
I replied. She wrote some more… and we connected on the topic.
The next few days I realized I was being braver in my conversations as a result of our exchange.
So came the idea of both posting around the same topic. I love seeing what shows up when two bloggers jam on the same topics in their own unique way. I sincerely hope our collaboration will grow with time and tweets.

Read her post here. Then read mine. Or vice-versa.

Cali wearing her wig

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As we grow up there are a few things we need to learn to do alone.

While we wish someone would just hold our hand and show us the way, that’s not how it works.

You might know what things I’m talking about…

Things like taking big decisions and choosing our path. Things like having the conversations. Things like going to a friend’s grave.

I’ve had to do them all and am still learning my way through.

Here are a few insights I have gleaned along the way.

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Let’s take a look a the aforementioned conversations. The though, heart-piercing, heart-opening conversations.

The ones that make your heart beat faster and your palms sweat like when in love.

These conversations might arise from the following needs:

  • speaking up your mind
  • sharing your concern about an issue
  • defending yourself or others in the face of injustice
  • sharing your ideas for the sake of contribution to a project
  • unveiling some powerful emotion

In any case the all circle back to going out of your comfort zone and diving into a vulnerable place.

trying to make your voice be heard

And since it takes two to tango what makes these conversations even harder is that you usually care what the other person thinks of you.

Thus making the unveiling a tidbit trickier.

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So here’s these conversations usually go for me:

  • I prepare, prepare and prepare some more. I basically over-prepare by going through a script in my head multiple times.
  • I try and select the perfect timing to suggest some time to talk. There’s a certain way to say: We need to talk where people instantly get it. And get a little nervous. So I usually give no warning and choose of a perfect timing for me!!
  • I change the perfect timing because, you know, life happens and well-thought-out plans rarely work in my experience.

Once we’re already engaged in conversation and it looks like we enough time before us I set in motion an elaborate avoidance mechanism:

  • I wait until I get a cue that my comrade is ready and willing to have this specific conversation. which never really happens. then I settle for getting a sign from the Universe. which rarely happens either because of the anxious way in which I’ve asked.
  • When I realize there won’t be a helicopter coming down from the heavens to give me push, I set all the gremlins free! You know, the ones that create worst-case scenarios. C’mon on, you have them to! We all do.
  • So the crazy thoughts start free-flowing. What if I am done wrong? Why does it really matter? I’ve kept my mouth shut about it for so long I might as well forget about it? What if I get rejected? What if he gets really angry and loses it? What if I get ridiculed? What if I get swallowed by a big scary wave?

a big scary wave

By this point I am properly confused. My heart? racing.

But the desire to talk is stronger than my heartbeat. That’s how bad we need to talk. So I do the only thing that can give my heart peace at this point: I set the words free.

The first moments my voice is still shaking and my partner is adjusting to the shift of tone. I continue and let the words flow despite me. The conversation is shaping up, it’s taking a life of its own. You forget your dutiful preparation and omit some words you had carefully selected as new ones emerge much to your surprise. You are officially out of your comfort zone!

Let the fun begin.

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Things that might occur as a result of the conversation are always surprising.

  • Let’s face it, there’s a chance you might be completely misunderstood.
  • When big emotions are released you often feel lighter. And their impact can be less than you think, maybe you were the only one being bothered.
  • In no case so far have I been swallowed by a big scary wave, so that’s good to know.
  • So often the other person thanks you for sharing. Either because it made a difference for them. Or just because it is important for the relationship.
  • Someone who’s really mature might even say something like ‘If it’s important to you, then it’s important to me.’ (wouldn’t that be ideal??)
  • Very very often you need to give people (yourself included) some time. Let the ideas marinate some more before you can come to a conclusion. Often my comrade will get back to me a while later and say something that completes the conversation.

Give the other one some space to!! Art by Hugh McLeod ©

Now, here are a few lessons learnt from having these though conversations:

  • It is not good to keep things to yourself. It damages relationships.
  • Your voice matters.
  • The gremlins often end up being wrong. When done in a healthy way, having the conversation usually lessens the drama instead of augmenting it. And yes, I’m still learning what it means to do it in a healthy way.
  • If you give it some time the conversation might actually strengthen the connection between you and your conversation partner. I am not one to believe two people can ever really be 100% in tune. But these conversations can bring you one step closer. And it gives you at the gift of clarity. You know where you stand, you know how you feel and think and how the other does. I say it’s a good start!
  • At some point it is good to shut up and see what the other person has to says. It’s not a conversation if you’re the only one talking!
  • The best thing for me has been the sense of freedom I’ve felt as result of having these conversations. It takes a lot to be brave and raise your voice when you’re unsure of the impact. The truth is you have little control over the impact but it is freeing to you know you’ve done your part, you’ve shared your concern, released that emotion, presented your idea. Feels powerful just to think of it.
And with time, I notice a hunger to have more and more of these conversations. Because thanks to them I get to:
  • learn to become self-sufficient
  • speak for myself
  • go beyond my comfort zone
  • put myself out there to create with others.
  • Grow.
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If you haven’t read Cali’s post yet, make sure you do so here.
More about Cali Harris (aka Caligater):
” I think social entrepreneurship is an engine of [social, environmental & economic] change. It’s possible to do good while doing well.
I believe education is transformative–whatever shape that education comes in. I have a couple pieces of paper that reflect studies in journalism and ethnic studies. I’m currently pursuing a Master of Social Science at the University of Colorado Denver.
I move and I dance. I’ll groove to most anything, but I’m peculiarly passionate about salsa, rhumba & cha-cha. I also think dance is analogous to movement through this life.” (stolen from her blog).

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  1. Pingback: Open Truth Telling – a tandem post | Caligater

  2. What if I get swallowed by a big scary wave?

    I SO get this. I am terrible at starting these conversations — I’ve dealt with it this long, surely I can put off saying something about it until later — maybe I’ll just deal with it, I don’t want to bother anyone, and there’s always that big scary wave…you know?

    I’ve gotten a little better at speaking up, by which I mean ‘less absolutely crappy at it’, but I still just don’t bother doing it some days, it’s easier to keep my mouth shut. And when I do speak up, it’s frequently _not_ at a time I’d planned or chosen, I just open my mouth and _words_ spill out, and then it’s gotta get dealt with _right_ then or it’ll only fester and get worse.

    I’m kinda glad to know I’m not the only one who dances that dance.

    • Kate!! I’m glad to see I’m not the only one with the big scary wave fantasy ;)

      And I’m glad the post resonates with you. And I’m sharing these insights so others can learn a bit faster than I did. ;)

      Yes it’s definitely a dance!!! xox

      • I’m sharing these insights so others can learn a bit faster than I did.

        Ha! I’ve been trying to figure out who my Right People are, and far as I can tell, my Right People (for the writing, at least, if not the bath-and-body stuff) are…me, about three-four years ago. Cos I’d rather be able to help _me_ figure things out quicker, but since it’s a little late, at least I can try to help people who are where I was a couple years ago…

  3. An honor to collaborate, Bahieh.

    My post would be nothing without yours.

    I appreciate that we’ve both touched on the idea of how freeing these conversations can be.

    Thank you for opening and sharing your process. I think it’s important, because we aren’t often taught how to have these conversations. At the same time that you share a view into your heart-mind, you also provide relate-able, realistic insights. Thank you for that.

    • My pleasure Ms Cali!!!! You know I have grrl crush on you, already told you ;)

      And so true about these conversations being freeing.

      Sometimes I wonder… is there a way someone could teach us to do such things? I’m not sure. Maybe open up the space for sharing our stories is a way to facilitate the learning.

      So glad to you have you tandem-posting with me!! Thanks for accepting my offer.

      xox

      • I think that there CAN be open dialogue — whether in school (seriously!), in families, amongst mentors and even peers. I think we can talk about HOW to have these conversations and suggestions/ideas.

        I believe so because there are really graceful ways to have difficult conversations. I recently read “The Dance of Connection” by Harriet Lerner (it’s an -okay- book). And then I read a heart opening, mind-tilting, amazing book called “What We Say Matters: Practicing Nonviolent Communication” by Judith and Ike Lasater…and that showed me techniques.

        I certainly don’t think there’s a straight-shot, injection-style “way” to have these convos. But I do think that moving away from a yelling/name-calling/blaming/passive aggressive/manipulative/whatever-you-experience method is possible.

  4. Starting those types of conversations always make me nauseous, like a lost sailer at sea. It’s true you never know what to expect and fear that big scary wave swallowing you.

    I’ve learned that once it’s over, you may not always sail away happily ever after into the sunset or even enjoy smoother water. But hey, at least you no longer feel like you’re drowning in all those FEELINGS! F*cking feelings. What a nuisance!

    By the way, found your blog via Cali’s. Also…hi. :)

    • hi David! :)

      Yep, no one said they were easy to have.

      And I also don’t believe much in happily ever after endings!! ;) (I think it shows throughout the post.)

      What has helped me is to go into a conversation knowing what acceptable outcome I expect from it!! Sometimes just speaking my mind is enough. Sometimes I can expect the other one to at least hear me. Rarely do I hope for absolute and total mutual agreement.
      Knowing what I expect has helped me calibrate some.

      So nice to have you here!! I especially appreciate that you are a guy and that you talk about feelings! yay.

      ps. come back any time!!

  5. I am there, more than I have ever been. I feel like I am standing by myself. I feel like I can’t do it. But this writing this type of post, is freeing and well I have no words right now.

  6. I don’t get it, but I wish I did. I may relate more to David “those types of conversations always make me nauseous” ..

    There is something however interesting about the idea of an intense conversation being hinted at in a public stream of consciousness. That ideal is very enticing. That we can relate to general life points, death, facing adulthood etc.. how the point of view shifts, from person to person like a ferris wheel, sometimes you are close to the ground, sometimes near the top looking out over everything and everybody. Sometimes you aren’t paying attention to the motion of things at all. I guess that’s when these conversations are most important. Like “hey, I’m up here. I hear you, where are you?”

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